Curse

Gigashadow · Aug 11, 2009, 11:37 PM // 23:37

The problem is not that I think GW2 won't be released or that its design suddenly turned into poop overnight; after all, the design has been going on for years now, it likely started off on the right track (given Jeff Strain's old speech), and Jeff Strain is not the only talented guy designing things over there. The problem is what it means when the creative force behind the only innovative and interesting game NCSoft owns, just leaves. As for two people leaving simultaneously for "unrelated reasons" -- there are no coincidences.

Gun Pierson · Aug 11, 2009, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by Inde

..., try to temper that with the knowledge that the game is being developed.

Which means nothing, if the game is not fun to play. They can develop for years and burn around 10 million dollar like the Tabula Rasa story.

The article: ' Let's talk about Tabula Rasa' gives more insight how things can go wrong while a game is in development.

Fates · Aug 11, 2009, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt

Yeah, Regina learned that the day she took the job.

She didn't learn invisible mode, she's just never here. Too busy working on her wiki.

Inde · Aug 11, 2009, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt

You have been waiting for info for over 2 years, I hope you have continued patience.

I've been waiting a while for Diablo III too. It was in development for a speculated 4-5 years before it was announced. Maybe Anet did jump the gun in announcing it too early. But it's going to continue plugging away and as more information comes out the players will trickle back to find out what's going on.

fog_of_redoubt · Aug 11, 2009, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

And it takes much longer than 2 years to develop a game. And if NCSoft was the reason for the hushing, than all the more reason for Anet to be trying to find a new parent company like I suggested as a possibility.

It doesn't work that way. You can't decide you don't like your parent company and shop for a new one. Are you serious?

Now if NCSoft wanted to divest of ArenaNet, they could potentially sell the "wholly owned subsidiary".

But ArenaNet can't divest of the parent company.

Maybe in your little optimistic world, but not in the real world.

Lhim · Aug 11, 2009, 11:46 PM // 23:46

"under amicable terms", I don't know....I find the use of those words....disturbing.

Konig Des Todes · Aug 11, 2009, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt

It doesn't work that way. You can't decide you don't like your parent company and shop for a new one. Are you serious?

Now if NCSoft wanted to divest of ArenaNet, they could potentially sell the "wholly owned subsidiary".

But ArenaNet can't divest of the parent company.

What I meant would be either the parent company selling the smaller company off *as you said*, or the smaller company having to find a company willing to pay. The later is very very very unlikely but possible.

Even in an imperfect and cruel world as this, things can happen for the better. Guild Wars was a good seller, so it could be seen as profitable to own Anet by certain people.

I think Anet merging/buying another company and splitting into its own is more likely than either of the above though. And even that is not very likely.

But meh, my main point in posting in this thread all along is that it said Jeff left NCSoft, not Anet. So there are more possibilities than just Jeff leaving Anet and GW all together.

The reasoning for Jeff's leaving could be as simple as he got sick of NCSoft pushing GW2 info back due to Aion and he wanted to focus on things with Anet alone and not NCSoft.

Buster · Aug 11, 2009, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by deank81

"under amicable terms", I don't know....I find the use of those words....disturbing.

It means don't let the door hit you on the way out if you don't see it our way lol. Gotta love NCSoft management!

drunk n angry · Aug 12, 2009, 12:00 AM // 00:00

i like the way you are interpreting this konig.... there would be no reason for them not to say he is also leaving anet if infact he wasnt.... also it says nowhere that he is not in collaboration with those still developing gwII. hopefully this all works out to be something better for areanet and the guild wars franchise.

we can only hope for now til we get more word about the current situation.

ajc2123 · Aug 12, 2009, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Toxic OnyX

BINGO!

Ppl talk about GW2 like they know what is happening, about all we knew about GW2 was that there was supposed to be one.

That's it, all the info released by the Community Relations is "we are working on GW2" working on could be anything from sketching stickmen and trying to tie some type of concept to them.

During the 4th year anniversary (or was it last wintersday....) they said they would be playing GW2 in the office for celebration. So unless they are lyng to our faces, im pretty sure its on a solid pace and way past stickmen sketches.

I have hope that GW2 isn't affected.

fog_of_redoubt · Aug 12, 2009, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by drunk n angry

i like the way you are interpreting this konig.... there would be no reason for them not to say he is also leaving anet if infact he wasnt.... also it says nowhere that he is not in collaboration with those still developing gwII. hopefully this all works out to be something better for areanet and the guild wars franchise.

we can only hope for now til we get more word about the current situation.

It also didn't say what he had for lunch today. So by that we can assume he ate sushi with the crew at ArenaNet and therefore is moving back into his old job....

You guys are incredible.

He LEFT. Period, he is GONE. He is NOT working on GW2 anymore.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Aug 12, 2009, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

During the 4th year anniversary (or was it last wintersday....) they said they would be playing GW2 in the office for celebration. So unless they are lyng to our faces, im pretty sure its on a solid pace and way past stickmen sketches.

I have hope that GW2 isn't affected.

They have also stated that they get together once a week (or something like that) and play test it together. They assured it is "A lot of fun".

^_^

Devastating Flames · Aug 12, 2009, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Well it's definitely unfortunate to see a father of the game go. Side effect to his leaving does it show an insight into anet why does a father of a multi (million or billion) game leave their must be something going wrong inside anet or Gw2. i still think Gw2 will release on the predicated date of December 25/31st 2010. Only time will tell

The game seems to be going along with pace of normal game creation(remember these things can take four years + to do)

Konig Des Todes · Aug 12, 2009, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by drunk n angry

i like the way you are interpreting this konig.... there would be no reason for them not to say he is also leaving anet if infact he wasnt.... also it says nowhere that he is not in collaboration with those still developing gwII.

Exactly, you see, if there was no change, why mention it? It would be when there is a change one mentions something. With no mention of Anet or GW/GW2 in this, one would be natural to assume that nothing has changed. Funny how it is the opposite only because NCSoft is a parent company of Anet.

The only reason to say Jeff didn't leave Anet would be to ease anyone worried about it. Which would mean an Anet sided view - which is not the case, it is a view from NCSoft's side. Therefore, they would bring up matters for NCSoft only (which is the case).

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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt

It also didn't say what he had for lunch today. So by that we can assume he ate sushi with the crew at ArenaNet and therefore is moving back into his old job....

You guys are incredible.

He LEFT. Period, he is GONE. He is NOT working on GW2 anymore.

I find you just as incredible. Yes, he left, NCWest. Nothing supports him leaving Anet. Nothing supports him staying at Anet. But due to wording, one should lean towards the the idea that he still works at Anet. But, of course, that doesn't mean he doesn't still work there.

We just know too little to be positive on this.

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Originally Posted by Devastating Flames

Side effect to his leaving does it show an insight into anet why does a father of a multi (million or billion) game leave their must be something going wrong inside anet or Gw2.

Or it is NCSoft which is the wrong. *shrug* As I said just above, we are given too little...

So why haven't one of the three Anet employees who were at this thread, and that one NCSoft employee, comment on this yet?

AnClar · Aug 12, 2009, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

the NCSoft was going to make GW2 one of their flagships

Please....anyone who played Hellgate:London knows what the term "Flagshipped" means. I sincerely hope GW doesn't go the way of HG:L and Flagship Studios!

Highlander Of Alba · Aug 12, 2009, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Have to admit thatwith Jeff leaving people will assume this and that.

As a full statement not released only a mini one the few things that come up were.....at pax think it was said there would be no discussion on gw2 only Aion.

AS people from anet.ncsoft may be surprised at this also as they are on the forums but not making any comment.

That what makes the internet so appealing within minutes the news is worldwide and panic not only here but at anet.

The comments are yes full of what ifs....

Give it a DAY and we will get a better insight whats going on .

keli · Aug 12, 2009, 12:42 AM // 00:42

http://www.hellgateguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3878

haha this was fun

(sorry for offtopic :P )

Socrates The Mauler · Aug 12, 2009, 12:46 AM // 00:46

I'm glad he left. Maybe now GW2 will shed it's Magic: The Gathering like shackles, and turn into something cool and unique, something worth playing for 5 plus years.

if it ever gets released. Given this announcement, one has to wonder.

Joiry · Aug 12, 2009, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Worst case: They are making BIG changes to GW2, and he couldn't stomach it....

actually, I guess there could be a worse scenario, GW2 being canceled.

I don't know, I think a prefer no GW2 over a crappy GW2. That way I could always imagine how good it could have been.

However, whatever other mistakes NCsoft has made, I think they at least were/are smart enough to leave Anet alone do their thing on GW2.

Another variant on the Anet leaving NCsoft theory (wild as it is). Maybe NCsoft doesn't like how GW2 is shaping up and want to divest themselves of it (cause they think Aion is teh Uber). Ie Strain leaves, gets capital to buy Anet back, and in one or two years GW2 eats Aion for lunch

vamp08 · Aug 12, 2009, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

I didn't see anyone mention this but, uhm....

Jeff left NCWest. It never said he left Arena Net...

I think he's either separating himself from NCSoft business (so he can focus on Arena Net business), or this is the beginning of Arena Net leaving from NCSoft sponsorship...

Which means no delays due to other games made by NCSoft.

Oh god I hope!